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kidvelvet67 Permadrunk


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Posted: Wed - Nov, 09 2005 - 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe those cheerleaders from Carolina don't have to go back into stripping after all!  _________________ kidvelvet
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sloshed Chief Enabler


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Posted: Thu - Nov, 10 2005 - 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| ricka182 wrote: | To me, it doesn't matter how "tough" it is to get someone in that position. I understand you can't just walk behind your opponent and choke away, but still, it's a no-balls move.....Respect comes from knocking someone out, not choking them out. Are they allowed to slap each other first??  |
There are plenty of knockouts in the UFC - probably around 50%.
Call me a pussy, but if I were in a fight, I would do whatever it took to avoid getting my ass kicked - it hurts. So I would happily choke someone in order to avoid taking a beating and I wouldn't feel bad about it. And then I would slap them around after I choked them..  _________________ I drink to forget my blackouts. |
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ricka182 Betty Ford Patient


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Posted: Thu - Nov, 10 2005 - 4:37 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, but if no one was choking out, then it would be more about the actual fight, not ones ability to simply choke. If I were in a street fight, I would choke too. The UFC has just conformed due to the lack of truly qualified fighters, same reasons as to why they wear pads on the fists now. I want to see a good bare-knuckle mixed martial arts match without a choke. Choking is cheesy and weak, a sign of lack of talent and over pride. Most choke because they fear a loss so much. If they didn't screw up or fall down, they'd win and not have to worry about the choke. _________________ .
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Posted: Thu - Nov, 10 2005 - 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| ricka182 wrote: | | Choking is cheesy and weak, a sign of lack of talent and over pride. Most choke because they fear a loss so much. If they didn't screw up or fall down, they'd win and not have to worry about the choke. |
I have to disagree here. Choking is far from weak or cheesy. First, you have to recognize the opportunity to move in for a choke and be quick enough to obtain a good grasp of your opponent's body (skill, awareness, and agility). Second, you have to be able to be strong enough for keep the person wrapped up and in submission. Holding somebody who's all jacked up and is very strong, such as a UFC fighter, for an extended period of time is not the easiest thing in the world (strength). If your opponent is good enough, he will hold on and find a way to get out of the grapple move that he's been put into (again, skill).
The art of Jujitsu is all about grappling and joint locks. By what you're saying above, you are implying that something like this is a weak art. But trust me, if you came across somebody who really knew what they were doing with this skill, they could cause some serious damage. _________________ "Let's go drink until we can't feel feelings anymore." |
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ricka182 Betty Ford Patient


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Posted: Thu - Nov, 10 2005 - 5:34 am Post subject: |
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The choke is for pussies, plain and simple. I take nothing away from those who properly practice martial arts. Take you for example....you haven't trained in how long?? You're still quick and stealthy like, but if I got my phat ass on top and crushed your trachia, all the black belts in the world won't help. I suppose the eye gouge or nut kick is a technical manuver too.  _________________ .
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sloshed Chief Enabler


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Posted: Thu - Nov, 10 2005 - 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| Bustedup16 wrote: | | ricka182 wrote: | | Choking is cheesy and weak, a sign of lack of talent and over pride. Most choke because they fear a loss so much. If they didn't screw up or fall down, they'd win and not have to worry about the choke. |
I have to disagree here. Choking is far from weak or cheesy. First, you have to recognize the opportunity to move in for a choke and be quick enough to obtain a good grasp of your opponent's body (skill, awareness, and agility). Second, you have to be able to be strong enough for keep the person wrapped up and in submission. Holding somebody who's all jacked up and is very strong, such as a UFC fighter, for an extended period of time is not the easiest thing in the world (strength). If your opponent is good enough, he will hold on and find a way to get out of the grapple move that he's been put into (again, skill).
The art of Jujitsu is all about grappling and joint locks. By what you're saying above, you are implying that something like this is a weak art. But trust me, if you came across somebody who really knew what they were doing with this skill, they could cause some serious damage. |
I have to agree with Busted here.. After watching massive amounts of UFC lately, I have really come to appreciate the ground game because that is how most real fights wind up anyway. Jujitsu is pretty damn impressive.
Boxing isn't real fighting and I predict that it is going to go away because the UFC is so much less one dimensional.. If someone gets you in an arm bar, you have 2 choices - tap or get your arm broken which has happened plenty. And I have seen a few fights where one dude continued to fight with a broken arm. That is not pussy in my book.
As for the gloves they wear now... They did that because so many fights were being called due to cuts and broken hands which is not the way you want a fight to end. Bare knuckles just rip the skin open. The gloves they now wear are VERY thin and they are just there to prevent less than exciting fight ending injuries.
Again, I have watched a lot of UFC (from the beginning) and the fights are way more exciting now than they were when they first started. If you haven't seen it recently, you should check it out. All of them are simply amazing. UFC is getting incredibly popular thanks to their reality show and SPIKE airing bouts. Because of this the amount of talent is skyrocketing right now. _________________ I drink to forget my blackouts. |
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The Joker Permadrunk


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Posted: Thu - Nov, 10 2005 - 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| ricka182 wrote: | | Yeah, but if no one was choking out, then it would be more about the actual fight, not ones ability to simply choke. If I were in a street fight, I would choke too. |
They already have these competitions Boxing and Kickboxing why would they want to copy that. This is an original format no rules do what you know to do. I have seen olympic wrestlers, olympic Ju Jitsu (sp) and other very high level athletes in UFC. The thing is for some of them boxing isn't in there skill set hence they don't box they UFC. If their oponent is a good boxer of kick boxer the submission guy will never get ahold of them to win. If the kick boxer screws up and lets him in then on that day the submission guy was better. Either on still has to overcome the others defense and get into position. You said if you were in a street fight you would choke, well that is all UFC is a street fight inside with fans. You use whatever skill you possess to win and if you skill is better then you over come your oponent.
It isn't weak its a different style. I was a wrestler not a boxer so if I went up against someone it would be all take down and submission of sorts for me to win. Does that mean that wrestlers are weak? _________________ Let the obsession begin. |
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kidvelvet67 Permadrunk


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Posted: Sat - Nov, 19 2005 - 3:36 am Post subject: |
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Personally, I don't really care for the UFC. Whenever I hear "and there are no rules!" I usually get turned off to begin with.
The whole point of rules within a sport is to bring out the athleticism within the sport itself. Think about what basketball would be like without any rules...just put the ball in the hoop. Or football? Not much fun, unless you are into Nascar crashes. I can only imagine what it would be like to see Jerry Rice going up to make a catch, only to find some freakshow who has been on a steady diet of raw steak and horse semen punching him in the kidneys.
I guess some people would enjoy that...but I digress.
Boxing was cool because of the different styles of fighters even within a very limited sport. Now, the fighters are pretty much only fighting once every 2 years, and there are 27 different commissions that have their own redneck belt that keeps anyone from being a unified champion.
Oh well...still got football! _________________ kidvelvet
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sloshed Chief Enabler


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Posted: Sat - Nov, 19 2005 - 4:51 am Post subject: |
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The UFC started off with no rules and now I feel there are way too many.
http://www.ufc.tv/index.cfm?fa=LearnUFC.Rules
In particular, I would like to see them bring back headbutts and kicking someone on the ground. The rest of them are decent rules.
A lot of the comments and opinions that people have about the UFC are way outdated and people have no idea what it is all about now. They are now sanctioned by the Nevada sports commission and they had to make a lot of concessions to get that to happen. Primarily, they needed a lot more rules.
Personally, I think the UFC is way better than boxing has ever been. So much more exciting. Boxing is one dimensional - UFC encompasses boxing as well as every other fighting discipline out there. These guys are undisputably (is that a word?) the best fighters on the planet. Boxing, Pride, K-1, and all of the other organizations can't compete and their fighters always lose to UFC fighters.
A lot of people don't like it, but it is here to stay and boxing is going to go the way of the Dodo..  _________________ I drink to forget my blackouts. |
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ricka182 Betty Ford Patient


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Posted: Sat - Nov, 19 2005 - 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Boxing is just that, boxing. Pride is gay, it just sounds gay. K-1 is not badm and the only reason a UFC fighter wins is with the homo choke, or they just pin the opponent to the ground and wail on his head until the ref wakes up. I think a lot of the criticism would go away if they just a little more action, instead of all the grappling in every match.....  _________________ .
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Posted: Sun - Nov, 20 2005 - 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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I have watched both, but what is the difference between Pride and K-1? _________________ It's Beer-Thirty somewhere.
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ricka182 Betty Ford Patient


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Posted: Mon - Nov, 21 2005 - 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| Judge Rage wrote: | | I have watched both, but what is the difference between Pride and K-1? |
K1 is basically kickboxing with a karate influence while pride is more mixed martial arts, including grappling like UFC. There's also WFL, world fighting league, and around here they have MMA fights all the time, but with no major affiliation.  _________________ .
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Posted: Mon - Nov, 21 2005 - 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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There was some K-1 on ESPN this weekend and I watched it..
I thought the fighters were pretty good and a few of them had some crazy moves and were fun to watch, but I did have a couple of problems with it..
There wasn't a single knockout, no blood or "damage" done and that made it a little boring. This is was due to the thick gloves and 3 short rounds. There were some great take downs, but then the ref has to stop the fight and stand the fighters up, which wastes a lot of fight time in short rounds. The ring is too small.
I saw Pride not too long ago and I thought that was pretty good, but a couple of problems there too.. Mainly, I hated the fact that they use a ring with ropes because everytime a fight went to the ground, the one on top would push them into the ropes and they would have to stop the fight. And it happened over and over again. I also though the fighters that I saw weren't at the same level.  _________________ I drink to forget my blackouts. |
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Posted: Tue - Nov, 22 2005 - 1:23 am Post subject: |
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I watched Japanese K-1 about 10 years ago....I remember it was supposed to be a combination of everything that starts with K.
Karate, Kicking, Kung-Fu, tae Kwon do, Krazy Klimber, Kommunism....some other shit, too, I don't remember. _________________ It's Beer-Thirty somewhere.
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